Janaya Khan, the Canadian co-founder of Black Lives Matter–Toronto, and Daniela Gomes, a São Paulo-based journalist and scholar, are part of the same fight to end anti-black racism. They’re just doing it some 5,000 miles apart in different countries and languages. But in their conversation with each other, it become sclear that they face many of the same challenges in overcoming their countries’ naïvenarratives on race.

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