Scholars Deborah Cowen and Laleh Khalili engage in a lively discussion that explores the political stakes of infrastructural projects, the organizing logics that infrastructures advance and curtail, and the importance of highlighting the forms of labor, protest, and “making do” that are shaped by and in infrastructure’s long shadows. They also discuss the possibilities of world-building that move us away from the logics of spatial containment that dispossess and toward infrastructures of freedom, and how the struggles over the terms of these goals are inextricable from particular, local, intimate geographies.

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